In my last blog post I wrote how I was given the opportunity to play with an early build of the Pacemaker app on the Blackberry playbook at Over the Air 2012…
I won’t comment on Over the Air 2012 which looked frankly amazing and how great it was to catch up with old London friends even for a few minutes. That was all great and I look forward to catching up with people in the week when I’m down in London.
This is about the playbook and the pacemaker application.
The top line is… almost unusable, shocking and sadly uninspiring!
First of all it took ages to get the files on to the device, for some reason the playbook wouldn’t mount on my ubuntu thinkpad laptop, even though the machine which the guy was using was the exact laptop. Yes even he had a Thinkpad X220 but was running Windows 7 and had installed some magical playbook driver. So we had to copy most of my collection over to his laptop over USB sticks and my Android phone. That problem I blame RIM/Blackberry for… No mass storage mode, even MTP would have been a start. So I assume no Linux support is coming?
Once the files were loaded on to the Playbook, the guy started the Pacemaker application and I was a little underwhelmed to see they had gone with the two decks and a crossfader approach. I was expecting something a little more clever specially with the pacemaker under their belts. The guy whos playbook it was, didn’t know how to use the application and certainly didn’t know how to dj. However there were common interfaces elements with the pacemaker which made it understandable for me. But there were bits like the legendary P switch which was missing. So it wasn’t till half way through that I found out how to change the EQ and Gain. That problem was certainly Tonium’s.
I started with my pacemaker and tried to mix from the pacemaker to the app and it was the most painful mixing I’ve heard in a long while. The problem was the app not only kept skipping and pausing on beats but there was no monitor/headphone out. This for me make the whole thing pointless to use! Not only that, unlike on the pacemaker which showed every beat using an highly efficient system to show you the next 4 beats of both tracks, so you can almost dj without monitoring with some knowledge of the track structure. Tonium opted for the Virtual Dj/Tracktor/etc whole track waveform (forgot to add how long it took to render each wave form, although you can play it blind while it renders). Not very useful when your beats are galloping like some runaway horses. I even tried to use the sync feature but frankly that was rubbish too. The mix was all over the place. Once again Tonium’s fault, as I’m sure the playbook is capable of playing two tracks together at the same time. However RIM/Blackbery need to get 2 discreet outputs otherwise its always going to be a joke (stereo splitters deserve to die, and as I said to the guy. No club is ever going to let you plug in if your splitting the audio! Further rendering it as a bit of fun).
The latency of the touchscreen of the Playbook made the whole thing a total joke. The only time I’ve ever had such bad latency when djing is while trying to mix on a piece of glass during the Thinking Digital conference 3 years ago (by the way the blog about thinking digital is coming soon).
If you don’t understand what I mean by latency go have a look at this great Microsoft research demo where they got the latency of a touchscreen down to 1ms. But it wasn’t just that… As switched back and forth between the Pacemaker and the app, I could feel something was missing. Even with the touchpad of the pacemaker, I could do multiplate it in ways which were just ignored by the playbook. Honestly the interaction rant about pictures under glass was never more apt for this moment. Whos to blame for this? Well both and everyone. Although the trackpad of the pacemaker could be seen as the same as the multitouch screen, its certainly not.
I know a few of you are saying, yeah yeah give it a few weeks and you will also like it But honestly no I won’t. Of course if RIM/Blackberry want to give me one to fully try out over weeks or months then great I won’t say no but I think the end result will be the same. Even if Apple or even Google were to release a Dj app for iOS or Android, I would be saying pretty much the same. The problem isn’t RIM/Blackberry or even Tonium’s, its pictures under glass. You can’t get away from it…
The guy who’s playbook it was, said the later versions he had seen was more stable but frankly if it was bulletproof… Theres far too many other problems…
If I was Tonium, I would scrap the copying Virtual DJ, Tracktor, etc and take advantage of the beat chart system they enabled on the pacemaker. You need to be able to mix without hear the track, because I’m sorry to say the splitter option is a instant no for any self respecting DJ.
Tonium claim they used Blackberrys’s QNX platform because it was quicker and more responsive then others out there. If thats true, then make it so! Right now I’m not seeing anything advantages over the other platform. Even having dual outputs would have put Blackberry well ahead of the game and made the platform much more attractive to djs and artists but right now it looks no different to the rest except there are few apps, few developers and fewer buyers. If RIM/Blackberry really want to do something radical, getting Tonium to build the pacemaker software for them isn’t going to fly unless theres serious hardware changes too.
It hurts me to say it because I really wanted Tonium to go on to a winner and heck if the blackberry platform was the place to do that, then great. But instead what they have done is aped DJ software already out there, added a few bits from Pacemaker and done an very disappointing job.
The thing which is never meant to happen while djing happened! Yes the Pacemaker software crashed and left me scrambling for my pacemaker. Not only that, there was clear machine/software distortion through out when you feel the system was under-stress.
I believe nothing can save this pacemaker app unless its a new blackberry playbook (with low latacy and 2 outputs) its going to run on?
To briefly address your major points in order to make give a more balanced viewpoint
- Mass storage mode on the Playbook (OS2) works fine with my Windows Vista and is not slow. Drop Linux and get Windows instead
- P switch missing? There are 2 buttons that replicate this, one for each deck (not one to share between the two). You can also configure the app so pressing the button is either momentary or toggles state (default)
- On both PMA and PMD you do not need the P-switch to access gain or EQ controls so I don’t know why a “missing” p-switch made it hard for you to find these settings
- I can confirm that the current version doesn’t have the beat graph, but watch this space
- The slow waveform loading is the app actually doing the anaylsis in realtime that previously your Pacemaker editor did when you added tracks to your library. It now only spends time analysing tracks in your library that you play, and only the first time you play them. Subsequent plays do not require the analysis. I will also add that this beat analysis does seem better than the Pacemaker’s.
- I actually find the sync feature works very well as long as you have let the app analyse the whole track first.
- Latency? Err, not noticed it myself actually
- I agree about the single split output issue, and this is something they are hoping to offer a solution to (that doesn’t involve splitting)
Hi Paul thanks for your comments…
I’m going on my own experience of using the playbook and pacemaker app for the first time myself. I assume the guy was from RIM/Blackberry, so I didn’t get a chance to play with the actual OS its self. However… We tried Mass storage and trust me it didn’t work for us.
I find it funny, saying I should use Windows (could go all linux on you). Fact is, if it supports Mass Storage, it should just work. This was proven when I plugged in a 8Gig drive and switched on Mass Storage on my phone to transfer music
The P switch was multifunctional and the button your talking about isn’t. So I conclude its a bit crap and maybe question whats the point in it except legacy pacemaker stuff? What I was really after is a button which operates like the P switch.
Your right about the PMA and PMD but it wasn’t clear, so for the longest time I was trying to find the gain but to scared to touch the deck (which is a pain) because I was scared of messing with the beatmatching (which I was trying to do, unsucessfully)
Bring back the Beat Graph!
Yes that is essentially pacemaker and means you can put the beat in on time (almost) without listening. With the beat graph, its just virtualdj or tracktor which is poor and a real shame.
So its clear I didnt analysis the tracks and yes doing it in real time is better, however it was clear the analyst was causing trouble when trying to mix. The recommended BPM was off in a way which makes PMD look pin sharp
Finally in the end when it crashed that was the last straw! Took the whole device down! Only a reboot would save it. This has never happened on the PMD to me ever. Yes it might be early beta, etc but if it crashes in the hour I get with it, its going to put a very negative taste in my mouth. As it would if it happened to you, honestly?
Latency is a massive issue, might be because I got big fingers and tend to touch the pacemaker a lot while mixing (I don’t use the autobpm/sync feature usually and touch the pad to slow it down a tiny bit) I found it slow to react and by the time I heard the change it was already over done.
Ah long last something we can agree on…
I had hoped the reason why the pacemaker team had used the Playbook was because of the ability to get two stereo outputs. But nope… Unless as I said Playbook2 supports it and Blackberry are keeping quiet. Highly unlikely me thinks, but I’d said it anyway…
Stereo splitters need to die
Lastly I understand we want to support the Pacemaker team as much as possible, for me the pacemaker was a revolution in djing and to be honest this feels like not just a backwards step but a leap backwards. I know they can do better! Wheres the use of the other sensors? Why isn’t the filters controlled by the accelerometer for example?
I didn’t know the PMA (pacemaker app) is floating around the web, I’ll give it another try, but I don’t think I’ll buy a Playbook for the app.
I simply don’t understand why ppl would still make DJ apps vor devices with 1 output. It’s like making a race car with 3 wheels. The PMD was awesome because it had 2 outs and thus allowed real DJing. Frankly combining mobile touch screen and DJing will be a great leap forward for the art. CuePlayDjay has a great app that solves a part of the problem by using a wi-fi connection, but it’s latency kills it again. Solve the 2 outs problem with a hardware device and DJ’s will KILL to get an app like this. I have a 5-year old 2-out usb stick that works fine, so it can’t be that hard. You would be the instant Mekka for DJ’s. So please, do it RIGHT or stop wasting ppls money. And do it cross platform, because RIMM isn’t going anywhere guys. Now go, do it and become a part of DJing… neh music history.
To be honest 3-lifes-left, your right…
Its not hard to solve, most android devices support USB Host which means you could plug in a USB soundcard. CuePlayDjay is a total joke but at least they tried to solve the problem…
Hey Ian, saw your post in the forum and read through your review. I am sorry PMA didn’t give you a great experience right away. I think you are using a rather old version and I am more than happy to hook you up into our Pacemaker App Beta program, drop me an email if you are interested: jonas at pacemaker dot net.
I can tell you like PMD and that makes me happy. It is a very dear gadget to me. But when you are comparing it with PMA it is a little bit like comparing apples with pears. One is a physical very expensive gadget were we had the freedom to do everything. The other is an app, restricted by the platform it runs on. If you would compare them I think PMD in some ways always will be better than PMA, simply because we could do everything, including the physical shape. But there are a number of things that probably will make PMA superior in the long run, for example the internet connection, there are just so many amazing things that we can do just because of it. And as Paul said earlier, I think we will be able to solve the dual stereo output.
I hope you will give it a second chance and do drop me an email to join the beta program.
Hi Jonas,
I totally understand what you Paul are saying. I really do and I take the points about the PMA restrictions. I will join the beta but I don’t have a Playbook. I was thinking of buying one 2nd hand when I heard about the PMA.
If RIM/Blackberry were clever they would have sent me one complete with PMA on it before the gig (we did request one). The whole thing was to show off how great the Playbook was (maybe get some developers interested) but instead it made it look worst than crap (imho).
But my post wasn’t about RIM/Blackberry. It boils down to the tablet is a crappy format for dj’ing maybe?
I tried to find a picture/blog of when I was dj’ing on a rear projected piece of glass a few years ago.
The latency was also terrible in that case and without 2 stereo outputs, I can only conclude tablets are a bad idea for djing? I’m very happy to be proven wrong and I have many thoughts on the future of Djing… http://www.slideshare.net/cubicgarden/time-for-a-hackday-for-djs
Anyway I’ll sign up just incase Android is later supported or Blackberry do send me a Playbook.
Yes you are right, tablets are not maybe not the best platforms for djing, yet. We are aware of the latency on PMA and we are working on lowering it. We have one version which runs without the fancy UI, and that version is super duper fast with lower latency than on PMD, so it is doable. We just have to make the UI incredibly efficient.
The prototype version you were using wasn’t meant to be used for demo purposes, except when used by our in-house DJ God’s Will (aka my brother Willem). He knows about all the little features and cranks so he can use it to give these kind of performances: http://youtu.be/TqO1O3VjCqo.
Send me an email and we will arrange with everything necessary to get you going on the Beta program: jonas at pacemaker dot net.
Sorry for the doble post, I just wanna make sure u read it:)
I simply don’t understand why ppl would still make DJ apps vor devices with 1 output. It’s like making a race car with 3 wheels. The PMD was awesome because it had 2 outs and thus allowed real DJing. Frankly combining mobile touch screen and DJing will be a great leap forward for the art. CuePlayDjay has a great app that solves a part of the problem by using a wi-fi connection, but it’s latency kills it again. Solve the 2 outs problem with a hardware device and DJ’s will KILL to get an app like this. I have a 5-year old 2-out usb stick that works fine, so it can’t be that hard. You would be the instant Mekka for DJ’s. So please, do it RIGHT or stop wasting ppls money. And do it cross platform, because RIMM isn’t going anywhere guys.
Now go, do it and become a part of DJing… neh music history.
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